Pancho Sa with Olé: he is the top winner, he directed Riquelme and gave his prognosis for the mouth-independent :: Olé

In the previous one of a new Boca e Independentthat in this case it will be decisive because it is a hand in hand that will classify one and leave another on the road, Olé spoke with the true king of drinks: nothing less than Francisco Pedro Manuel Sa, Don Pancho, who is the maximum winner of Libertadores (he was honored by Conmebol in Paraguay earlier this year), that he left a tremendous mark on both teams and that he was also encouraged to give his prognosis about the classic on Monday.

“They always had history. Before, Boca beat Independiente was more difficult, he was always a very hard rival. Now they both arrive well. It is said that Boca has nothing, but when you play with Boca it is difficult, you realize that, you do not take it in front of it on its court. He has top -level players, they may not yield how the fans or coach intend, but it is a very powerful team, “the talk began who He won four glasses with El Red (1972, 1973, 1974 and 1975) and two with the Xeneize (1977 and 1978); In addition to an intercontinental with each one (1973 and 1977).

And about the crossing in La Bombonera, the former defense and 79 -year -old Formoseño DT and who is still active in the Red Collection area, he added: “Independent at this time he has armed quite well, he noticed the last thing he had to play. He consolidated. He has a good defense, good goalkeeper, good midfield, maybe he lacks a touch above, but he armed himself very well. He goes with a good forecast to the Bombonera, although Boca on his court is very difficult. “

-Wago the liberators with both of them, which one feels most identified?

-I did it with the two. They are achievements that are difficult to achieve. I am identified more with independent, but the last thing I did was with Boca and it has a lot of notoriety in some way. Because it is a team that has a call in all kinds of things, in journalism, in the fan, the achievements, everything has a much more impact. I have an indelible memory because the people of Boca have treated me very well, we have achieved very important things at a very important moment in Boca.

-What was the cup that cost more?

They were all difficult. It is difficult to choose, but I choose the first with Independiente because it was mine, because we played it in Avellaneda and because the only one we won at home; And with Boca also the first because it has been a three -game marathon, lengthening and definition by penalties. It was an unforgettable thing. Also the second with Boca was beautiful, because with the first with Independiente we turned around in La Bombonera, at home.

-And the one he enjoyed the most?

-A of the ones I enjoyed the most was the one we played with Colo Colo de Chile with Independiente. And well, with Boca we have had the first especially, that we played a marathon championship with Cruzeiro, as I said before.

-Why do you think that today Argentine teams have a hard time winning a liberators?

-I say that everything is cyclical, you will not always touch you, there are other teams that are prepared. For example, Brazilian football is very powerful, it always was, it has an unparalleled brand in the national team, it is the top winner of World Cups. And then he has very large teams: San Pablo, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Cruzeiro himself, Mineiro, Gremio, among others, are strong and with good economies. And we cannot maintain the structure of a team three consecutive years … Over there the one who did a little was River, and thus achieved what he got in the first stage of Gallardo, he reached the end because there were always few changes, he maintained the base. “Before the players did not go, they remained; both in Boca and in Independiente had equals that remained in history.”

-Well, speaking of history: you played with Bochini and also Maradona …

-I played with extraordinary players. Bochini is an emblematic who played 20 years in the first red; And Diego well, nothing can be discussed.

-And was also at a very important moment in Juan Román Riquelme's career, right?

-Yes, I had it to Román, I made him debut in the Boca Reserve. And obviously it was already seen that it was different. I remember that Boca had bought four players from Argentinos Juniors and in the Vine Román package, next to La Paglia, Emiliano Ruiz and the son of Crazy Gatti (Lucas). Román was extraordinary, he was 18 years old and that year I think he debuted in Primera too, a player who already showed that he was from another category.

-How was that experience first after the departure of Carlos Bilardo at the end of 1996?

-I had already debuted Román. We were in the south, we took charge of Boca that was in Rosario and played there with central and three days with Jujuy gymnastics and fencing in La Bombonera, and there Roman played. He was just looking out like that great player who was. I remember when he debuted in First, I was in the stalls and went to the bathroom and I met Pekerman, who told me 'Pancho, what a Roman player', heh.

-How do you see Riquelme in this new stage as the leader of Boca?

-The who does always receive criticism. I really do not understand much of the leadership management, and in this case if he assumed to be first vice president and then president is no small thing, it is an issue that always is in charge of something receives criticism and praise. Suddenly things go wrong, especially in football, where it is critical and praise, there are no average terms, the player lives a different situation and the manager lives another, and the fan who wants the team to win.